<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post6945422417371312295..comments</id><updated>2008-07-30T16:51:13.319-05:00</updated><category term='book reviews'/><category term='class size'/><category term='education research'/><category term='achievement gap'/><category term='book recommendations'/><category term='accountability'/><category term='new ideas'/><category term='NCLB'/><category term='school spending'/><category term='national standards'/><category term='private schools'/><category term='alternative certification'/><category term='international comparisons'/><category term='grades'/><category term='Teachers and Policy'/><category term='charter schools'/><category term='school reform'/><category term='Dept. of Ed.'/><category term='performance pay'/><category term='school climate'/><category term='unions'/><category term='education roundtable'/><category term='Teaching'/><category term='teacher retention'/><category term='my research'/><category term='vouchers'/><category term='pedagogy'/><category term='teacher quality'/><category term='schools and businesses'/><category term='BPINI'/><category term='discipline'/><category term='student motivation'/><category term='self-control'/><category term='higher ed'/><category term='Sunday Commentary'/><category term='dropouts'/><category term='teacher buy-in'/><category term='things that work'/><category term='random thoughts'/><category term='public reaction'/><category term='home schooling'/><category term='standardized testing'/><category term='Teach for America'/><category term='social policy'/><category term='health'/><category term='content'/><category term='Tales from the Trenches'/><category term='poverty'/><title type='text'>Comments on Thoughts on Education Policy: Why Do Teachers Get so Defensive?</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.edpolicythoughts.com/feeds/6945422417371312295/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5458172893016186479/6945422417371312295/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.edpolicythoughts.com/2008/07/why-do-teachers-get-so-defensive.html'/><author><name>Corey Bunje Bower</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>3</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-2836804433891728639</id><published>2008-07-30T16:51:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-07-30T16:51:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Matt Johnson writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;However, I think it...</title><content type='html'>Matt Johnson writes:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;However, I think it is fair to admit that many of the so-called attacks on teachers, particularly those leveled by more 10,000-foot level bloggers like Liam Julian or others are not aimed at teachers on a personal level.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;That may be true -- but I think that's part of the reason teachers find them so annoying.  No one likes to be painted with a mile wide brush or repeatedly used as a strawman in ideologically driven arguments&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I also don't follow your argument that teachers don't make an effort to educate bloggers...  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;First, it seems me there are quite a lot of teachers who blog, and who actively comment on blogs, but in an awful lot of cases blame just gets thrown back at them (and told the are defensive).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Second, it seems to me that if someone is going to write/blog about education, the first thing they would do is immerse themselves in the on-the-ground reality of it, and that would be spending enough time in actual classrooms that they wouldn't need to be educated by their readers.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5458172893016186479/6945422417371312295/comments/default/2836804433891728639'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5458172893016186479/6945422417371312295/comments/default/2836804433891728639'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.edpolicythoughts.com/2008/07/why-do-teachers-get-so-defensive.html?showComment=1217454660000#c2836804433891728639' title=''/><author><name>Rachel</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08566356038836885187</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.edpolicythoughts.com/2008/07/why-do-teachers-get-so-defensive.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-6945422417371312295' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5458172893016186479/posts/default/6945422417371312295' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-174944475'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-365270547342255337</id><published>2008-07-30T16:22:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-07-30T16:22:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Corey,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You make a fair point about the inte...</title><content type='html'>Corey,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You make a fair point about the intensely personal nature of teaching to many teachers.  I can respect and understand that, and I can admit that at times it is easy to attack practices when one doesn't have all of the facts and circumstances.  To be sure, a classroom does not exist in a vacuum and there are a plethora of outside influences upon what happens to a teacher and her efforts.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;However, I think it is fair to admit that many of the so-called attacks on teachers, particularly those leveled by more 10,000-foot level bloggers like Liam Julian or others are not aimed at teachers on a personal level.  Yes, probably less than 1 percent of all teachers in American are "poor" teachers who have no business being in a classroom.  However, having said that, it is likewise not fair to take macro-level criticisms of teaching to heart.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My biggest concern about teachers is that while taking things personally, not enough make a personal effort to either 1) educate bloggers like myself in a public forum like blogs or 2) make an effort to change the circumstances they can control in a classroom.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Yes, every worker has conditions imposed upon them, and perhaps teachers more than others.  But it is very easy to simply throw one's hands in the air and say, "it is not all my fault, I can't do anything about it."  Some conditions cannot be fixed, but some can and I just don't see enough effort, on the micro or macro level to effect those changes.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You do raise a very good point about the "role model" aspect of the job that appears to have gotten out of hand.  A bikini photo on a myspace page is not scandalous and to expect our teacher to be moral paragons is unreasonable.  But having said that, this is the world we live in and a teacher does need to take personal responsiblity for their actions and maybe think twice about that racy photo posted on a Myspace page.  It is wrong to fire a teacher or public brand with a harlot tag, but if you know that a particular consequence is not only likely but almost certain to occur, why not simply avoid the problem all together?</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5458172893016186479/6945422417371312295/comments/default/365270547342255337'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5458172893016186479/6945422417371312295/comments/default/365270547342255337'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.edpolicythoughts.com/2008/07/why-do-teachers-get-so-defensive.html?showComment=1217452920000#c365270547342255337' title=''/><author><name>Matt Johnston</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01352443552682708733</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.edpolicythoughts.com/2008/07/why-do-teachers-get-so-defensive.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-6945422417371312295' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5458172893016186479/posts/default/6945422417371312295' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1979095003'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-4446935378991406407</id><published>2008-07-30T15:59:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-07-30T15:59:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I came into teaching after working in private indu...</title><content type='html'>I came into teaching after working in private industry for almost a decade, then as a public employee for a state senator, and as parent with three children.  Believe me, I definitely had an opinion on how education ought to be and couldn't understand why change didn't come about more quickly.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Then, I became a teacher.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One of my former colleagues at my school site had his Ph.D. in mathematics.  He decided to become a teacher, but soon became frustrated at the bureaucracy that is the education behemoth.  He left teaching after two years because of his frustration with the bureaucracy and his constant struggles with classroom management.  He was from India and couldn't believe the lack of respect, &lt;I&gt;on all sides&lt;/I&gt; towards teachers and the teaching profession.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;People like to think that as teachers we use the line of them not understanding because they've never taught as a cop-out.  Your post did an excellent job of stating why that's not the case at all.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5458172893016186479/6945422417371312295/comments/default/4446935378991406407'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5458172893016186479/6945422417371312295/comments/default/4446935378991406407'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.edpolicythoughts.com/2008/07/why-do-teachers-get-so-defensive.html?showComment=1217451540000#c4446935378991406407' title=''/><author><name>ms-teacher</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07800541997565774872</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://images.meez.com/user01/09/02/0902_10000080004.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.edpolicythoughts.com/2008/07/why-do-teachers-get-so-defensive.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-6945422417371312295' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5458172893016186479/posts/default/6945422417371312295' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-584044021'/></entry></feed>
