tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post8587972965086656832..comments2024-03-09T03:28:44.216-05:00Comments on Thoughts on Education Policy: More on School Expenditures Over TimeCorey Bunje Bowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-21195628838464988522012-09-11T00:26:07.360-04:002012-09-11T00:26:07.360-04:00Anonymous: You'll notice two differences betwe...Anonymous: You'll notice two differences between my chart and the link you posted:<br /><br />1.) My chart starts at 1980, while yours goes back over 100 years. The chart you posted shows government spending at about 6% of GDP in both 1970 and 2010 with some ups and downs in between.<br /><br />2.) Your chart is government spending on all education (including college) as percentage of GDP. My chart is the ratio of per-pupil expenditures on K-12 schooling to GDP per capita.<br /><br />What the two charts show a.) isn't that different, and b.) certainly could both be correct simultaneously.Corey Bunje Bowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-13480121624647014372012-07-06T09:54:53.403-04:002012-07-06T09:54:53.403-04:00Actually edu spending as % of gdp has gone up. ht...Actually edu spending as % of gdp has gone up. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_spending<br />so if total spending goes up and per student spending stays the same? then the increase in students must be greater than the spending increase. Are more people getting an education now than in the past, in relative and absolute terms, probably. this paper shows that http://www.historyliteracy.org/download/Sears2.pdf. in the early 1900s only half the pop had an 8th grad edu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-35620574764530518522008-05-04T10:12:00.000-04:002008-05-04T10:12:00.000-04:00I suppose it all depends on what questions you are...I suppose it all depends on what questions you are asking of the data, but several of those questions would require including (at least) college and post-graduate spending as part of "spending on education."<BR/><BR/>Also, one thing I have noticed is that many colleges now offer remedial courses and remedial programs. In effect, just about every community college (and a lot of four-year colleges) say, "We don't care how little skills and knowledge you left high school with. We have programs to get you up to speed." Should those expenditures be counted as K-12?Roger Sweenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734128265493099062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-40758619581809584362008-05-03T12:40:00.000-04:002008-05-03T12:40:00.000-04:00As far as I can tell it supposed to represent the ...As far as I can tell it supposed to represent the total budget of all K-12 schools in the United States divided by the number of students.<BR/><BR/>This needs some re-analysis though, which I should be able to get around to soon.Corey Bunje Bowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-83624844443080222112008-05-03T11:58:00.000-04:002008-05-03T11:58:00.000-04:00Oops! That should be "in your numerator."Oops! That should be "in your numerator."Roger Sweenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734128265493099062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-91354763042794342602008-05-03T11:57:00.000-04:002008-05-03T11:57:00.000-04:00I too am surprised there is not some upward trend....I too am surprised there is not some upward trend. So I'm curious just exactly what is in your denominator.<BR/><BR/>Does it include everything you would have to budget for if you were to start a school? Does it include building cost (either building new or renting)? Does it include teacher retirement costs, or just present pay?<BR/><BR/>Is it 1-12? K-12? K-12 plus college? K-12 plus college and post-graduate? K-12 plus college and post-graduate and other educational expenditures (beauty school, Head Start, etc.)?Roger Sweenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734128265493099062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-73063229968016267802008-04-24T16:05:00.001-04:002008-04-24T16:05:00.001-04:00oh, and thank you!oh, and thank you!Corey Bunje Bowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-67016639482839085562008-04-24T16:05:00.000-04:002008-04-24T16:05:00.000-04:00Rachel - I'm looking into it, but I'm in the middl...Rachel - I'm looking into it, but I'm in the middle of finals week so it might take a while<BR/><BR/>teacher - the data, as I understand it, is all education spending by all governments. It's definitely not just federal education spending, since that's only a tiny fraction of total expenditures and the figure for the final year is about 10K per pupil. That said, I think I have to make some adjustments to this chart, but it might take me a little while.Corey Bunje Bowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-30013384226313350192008-04-24T15:59:00.000-04:002008-04-24T15:59:00.000-04:00This is definitely some interesting information. M...This is definitely some interesting information. My only question is if this data is strictly FEDERAL spending as a part of GDP or does it also include state spending. <BR/><BR/>I am actually one of those radical people who would like to seriously look into getting rid of the US Dept. of Education as the Founders (I believe rightly so) looked at education as being a STATE/LOCAL issue.<BR/><BR/>GREAT post and blog!!DesertSurferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05817869898020539537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-44541365086992225912008-04-19T15:49:00.000-04:002008-04-19T15:49:00.000-04:00I said at the beginning of the post that I was sur...<I>I said at the beginning of the post that I was surprised when I saw that it was flat. I was surprised because I was under the distinct impression that countries tended to spend a larger share of GDP on education as they become wealthier.</I><BR/><BR/>I'd be interested to see international statistics on that. Clearly nations spend more on education as they get wealthier, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the spending rose less fast than overall wealth, at least basic literacy was fairly widespread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com