tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post5014956669961439991..comments2024-03-09T03:28:44.216-05:00Comments on Thoughts on Education Policy: Sunday Commentary: Are K-12 and Higher Ed Teaching as Different as we Think?Corey Bunje Bowerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-90580925812810279362009-02-09T15:40:00.000-05:002009-02-09T15:40:00.000-05:00Ok. I was trying to describe the prevailing rheto...Ok. I was trying to describe the prevailing rhetoric, with which I would expect that many would disagree.Corey Bunje Bowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-17817031955113528622009-02-08T23:16:00.000-05:002009-02-08T23:16:00.000-05:00By baseline assumptions, I meant:If a K-12 teacher...By baseline assumptions, I meant:<BR/><I>If a K-12 teacher says a student can't hack it, they're making excuses; if a college professor says a student can't hack it, they don't belong in college. Countless commentators opine against the evil that is teacher tenure in K-12 schools; few protest tenure for professors in our colleges and universities. If a K-12 student fails, it's the teacher's fault; if a college student fails, it's the student's fault. Measuring the "quality" of individual K-12 teachers is vitally important; measuring the quality of college professors isn't really possible.</I><BR/><BR/>I should have just said "rhetoric." I didn't mean to imply they were YOUR assumptions.Eve Properhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04026926577142821030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-1295716712640171152009-02-08T22:45:00.000-05:002009-02-08T22:45:00.000-05:00Michael: I'm not sure that's what the phrase means...Michael: I'm not sure that's what the phrase means, but your phrasing is better -- I'll change it.<BR/><BR/>Rachel: I disagree with the assumption that some make that college students have learned how to learn. Sure, they're better at learning than first graders -- but that doesn't mean that just throwing a bunch of information at them is all that effective.<BR/><BR/>Td: I could have phrased it better, but I tried to say that far fewer people are adamantly opposed to tenure in higher ed. Also, what baseline assumptions? I'm confused.Corey Bunje Bowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-38485142895769940582009-02-08T21:24:00.000-05:002009-02-08T21:24:00.000-05:00Actually, there are quite a few folks who advocate...Actually, there are quite a few folks who advocate for the abolition of tenure at the collegiate level (including some who have tenure). The discussion isn't as prominent, however.<BR/><BR/>I also think people who study pedagogy, SOTL, etc. at the higher ed level don't agree with the baseline assumptions laid out at the beginning of your piece, but those folks tend to be a minority.Eve Properhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04026926577142821030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-34454183693645543202009-02-08T18:41:00.000-05:002009-02-08T18:41:00.000-05:00I've taught both high school and college and one o...I've taught both high school and college and one of the fundamental differences is that K-12 teachers are expected to teach students how to learn. College students are expected to have learned how to learn, so college faculty only need to present material.<BR/><BR/>But one of the missing pieces of most discussion of K-12 teaching is the question of how difficult teaching someone how to learn can be -- particularly if that someone has decided that they are not really interested in learning.RDThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08566356038836885187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458172893016186479.post-68306908344598263742009-02-08T18:33:00.000-05:002009-02-08T18:33:00.000-05:00All problems should not be blamed on teachersThat ...<I>All problems should not be blamed on teachers</I><BR/><BR/>That should read "Not all problems should be blamed on teachers." At least, I presume you didn't mean that no problems should be blamed on teachers, which is the meaning of what you wrote.<BR/><BR/>Yes, my students occasionally find me pedantic.Michael Shirleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13355439947660092660noreply@blogger.com